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Michelle3
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3.5mm RCA output on new Roku models besides 3710 and 3910

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OK, I had read a complaint on a YouTube aspect ratio issue question that Roku, Inc. can’t add a 3.5mm RCA output to newer Roku models that are not the 3710 or 3910, so I decided to post this question.

So anyway, why can’t Roku, Inc. add a 3.5mm RCA Composite audio/video output jack to newer Roku models that are not the 3710 or 3910? It literally takes away nothing, but adds the ability to connect the newer Roku models to older TV models without an HDMI input, which makes them better products. HDMI only is a very limiting, ridiculous audio/video connection that only connects to newer TV models.

Thanks for any responses!

~Jordan

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makaiguy
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Re: 3.5mm RCA output on new Roku models besides 3710 and 3910

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@Michelle3 wrote:

OK, I had read a complaint on a YouTube aspect ratio issue question that Roku, Inc. can’t add a 3.5mm RCA output to newer Roku models that are not the 3710 or 3910, so I decided to post this question.

So anyway, why can’t Roku, Inc. add a 3.5mm RCA Composite audio/video output jack to newer Roku models that are not the 3710 or 3910? It literally takes away nothing, but adds the ability to connect the newer Roku models to older TV models without an HDMI input, which makes them better products. HDMI only is a very limiting, ridiculous audio/video connection that only connects to newer TV models.

Thanks for any responses!

~Jordan


I recall your previous posts.

You can request it, but I doubt very much that it will happen.  It's not just the cheap little jack that needs to be added, but the electronics to separate out the signals and create the composite and/or component video signal your set needs, plus software updates to manage all this and remap images coming in with a 16:9 image ratio to the 4:3 screen you are looking for.  This significantly increases the complexity of the software and introduces yet more variables that have to be tested against every tweak that is made to the software.

I fully expect that the analysts determined that it costs them more to put all this in, and maintain it, mostly for people that don't need or want it, than to not include it and lose a few sales.

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makaiguy
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@Michelle3 wrote:

OK, I had read a complaint on a YouTube aspect ratio issue question that Roku, Inc. can’t add a 3.5mm RCA output to newer Roku models that are not the 3710 or 3910, so I decided to post this question.

So anyway, why can’t Roku, Inc. add a 3.5mm RCA Composite audio/video output jack to newer Roku models that are not the 3710 or 3910? It literally takes away nothing, but adds the ability to connect the newer Roku models to older TV models without an HDMI input, which makes them better products. HDMI only is a very limiting, ridiculous audio/video connection that only connects to newer TV models.

Thanks for any responses!

~Jordan


I recall your previous posts.

You can request it, but I doubt very much that it will happen.  It's not just the cheap little jack that needs to be added, but the electronics to separate out the signals and create the composite and/or component video signal your set needs, plus software updates to manage all this and remap images coming in with a 16:9 image ratio to the 4:3 screen you are looking for.  This significantly increases the complexity of the software and introduces yet more variables that have to be tested against every tweak that is made to the software.

I fully expect that the analysts determined that it costs them more to put all this in, and maintain it, mostly for people that don't need or want it, than to not include it and lose a few sales.

  • Roku Streaming Stick +, 3810X, Ser YH0059427035, wifi - Samsung UN55ES6100
  • Roku Streaming Stick, 3600X, Ser 5S56D8240827, wifi - JVC EM37T
  • TCL Roku TV 43S425/C107X, Ser X000001R60KV, wifi

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Michelle3
Level 12

Re: 3.5mm RCA output on new Roku models besides 3710 and 3910

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 @makaiguy wrote:

@Michelle3 wrote:

OK, I had read a complaint on a YouTube aspect ratio issue question that Roku, Inc. can’t add a 3.5mm RCA output to newer Roku models that are not the 3710 or 3910, so I decided to post this question.

So anyway, why can’t Roku, Inc. add a 3.5mm RCA Composite audio/video output jack to newer Roku models that are not the 3710 or 3910? It literally takes away nothing, but adds the ability to connect the newer Roku models to older TV models without an HDMI input, which makes them better products. HDMI only is a very limiting, ridiculous audio/video connection that only connects to newer TV models.

Thanks for any responses!

~Jordan


I recall your previous posts.

You can request it, but I doubt very much that it will happen.  It's not just the cheap little jack that needs to be added, but the electronics to separate out the signals and create the composite and/or component video signal your set needs, plus software updates to manage all this and remap images coming in with a 16:9 image ratio to the 4:3 screen you are looking for.  This significantly increases the complexity of the software and introduces yet more variables that have to be tested against every tweak that is made to the software.

I fully expect that the analysts determined that it costs them more to put all this in, and maintain it, mostly for people that don't need or want it, than to not include it and lose a few sales.


I think that the electronics to separate out the digital or analogue video signals would’ve made the newer Roku models better products too. I’m not 100% sure, though.

It’s a shame that unfortunately, not all HDMI to non-HDMI converter adapter models that have compatibility with Roku models with only an HDMI output and not also RCA do aspect ratio correction in order to avoid the vertical aspect ratio distortion for the older TV models with a 4:3 aspect ratio. Since the converters’ inputs (NOT the outputs since the output’s resolution is only an SD (Standard definition) one (480i for NTSC TVs or 576i for PAL TVs)) can only be set to “720p TV” or “1080p TV” via Settings > Display type, correcting the vertically distorted aspect ratio will probably require setting the Roku models to “4:3 standard” if there is “Select all resolutions” on the Platform Secret Screen menu.

As @atc98092 stated to one of my posts in another question, which is called “Picture aspect ratio.”, the reason why the 16:9 aspect ratio images coming sourced from HDMI only Roku models are being distorted vertically, making them appear tall, skinny and unwatchable, by the converter adapter models, to fill 4:3 TV models is because using them can be problematic solutions, if wanting to connect sources with only HDMI output and 16:9 setting to TV models with only RCA input and 4:3 CRT, but no 16:9 letterboxer function, which might also be a reason why using Roku probably doesn’t support using them.

~Jordan

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atc98092
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Re: 3.5mm RCA output on new Roku models besides 3710 and 3910

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You have to remember that analog TVs are simply in the minority now, and with the upcoming change to ATSC 3.0 for broadcast TV, they are just obsolete. Since it's almost impossible to get a device with analog outputs any longer, it's really getting time to say goodbye to those old sets. I don't think I've had an analog TV in my home for over 10 years, and I'm not really an early adopter in that area. I am a techie, yes, but I let the TV world settle down a bit before I switched from my rear projection TV in the bedroom (which was still HD capable via DVI inputs). In fact, it might be more like 15 years. 

Dan
Roku Stick (3600), Ultra (4640), Ultra (4670), Ultra (4800), Premiere (3920), Insignia 720p Roku TV, Sharp 4K Roku TV, Nvidia Shield, Windows 10 Pro x64 running Serviio and Plex on a wired Gigabit network.
Michelle3
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@atc98092 wrote:

You have to remember that analog TVs are simply in the minority now, and with the upcoming change to ATSC 3.0 for broadcast TV, they are just obsolete. Since it's almost impossible to get a device with analog outputs any longer, it's really getting time to say goodbye to those old sets. I don't think I've had an analog TV in my home for over 10 years, and I'm not really an early adopter in that area. I am a techie, yes, but I let the TV world settle down a bit before I switched from my rear projection TV in the bedroom (which was still HD capable via DVI inputs). In fact, it might be more like 15 years. 


I can’t understand why it is getting time to say “Goodbye” to analogue TV models, and “Hello” to digital TV models, but as I can see on the market, there are most, if not all, digital TV models that are manufactured in China, unfortunately. I don’t remember where else some of them are manufactured in instead of China.

If the Roku Express+ 3710 and 3910 become obsolete streaming player models in the future just like the older Roku models, especially the models with a Y/Pb/Pr output besides RCA and HDMI, are, not only does that make finding any other streaming players with analog outputs any longer definitely impossible, they will be slow and unusable, and we’ll have better luck only using the analogue TV models for retro video gaming while television streaming is used on digital TV models. A few retro video gaming systems that you can use on older TV models include the Commodore 64, the Nintendo Entertainment System, along with the Super version, the Atari, the Sega Genesis, the Sega Saturn and the Nintendo 64.

~Jordan

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Tivoburkee
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It might also be the film industry behind getting rid of analog outputs, so you can't make copies. You couldn't buy a Blu-ray player after 2009 with analog outputs. My Computer with a blu-ray player built-in, I can't use the VGA output when playing blu-ray movies only hdmi output. 

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atc98092
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Yep, you have to have a digital video connection with valid DHCP handshaking. Of course, you can always rip the Blu Ray disc and then there's not problem. I've done that with all my purchased media and just store the discs away. Watch them over my network via DLNA with a Roku, Shield or smart TV. 

Dan
Roku Stick (3600), Ultra (4640), Ultra (4670), Ultra (4800), Premiere (3920), Insignia 720p Roku TV, Sharp 4K Roku TV, Nvidia Shield, Windows 10 Pro x64 running Serviio and Plex on a wired Gigabit network.
Michelle3
Level 12

Re: 3.5mm RCA output on new Roku models besides 3710 and 3910

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@Tivoburkee wrote:

It might also be the film industry behind getting rid of analog outputs, so you can't make copies. You couldn't buy a Blu-ray player after 2009 with analog outputs. My Computer with a blu-ray player built-in, I can't use the VGA output when playing blu-ray movies only hdmi output. 


Well, that’s weird how you couldn’t purchase anymore Blu-ray players that support analog outputs after the same year that NTSC analog TV broadcasting went upgraded to ATSC digital. I have a very, very old Samsung Blu-ray player model that my family has had a while before switching to Apple TV, then Amazon Fire TV, because the Hulu app, which was on it a few years before appearing unsupported along with some other apps, which can be viewed via Samsung Smart Hub, including NetFlix, seemed to stop always working properly, and it supports the analog RCA output jacks. They are Yellow for Composite video, White for left analog audio and Red for right analog audio. The resolution of those audio/video outputs is only 480i for NTSC, so that HD (High definition) quality isn’t really expected, it’s only expected in the digital audio/video outputs.

~Jordan

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Michelle3
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@_Rebecca wrote:

i dont think that would happen

 


Why do you not think that would happen?

~Jordan

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