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mtoto
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11 years ago

Why would I start developing a channel?

The roku seems like a great platform but I have just started to delve into the developer T&C's and have become rather confused and concerned about Roku's business model. I am hoping peeps here can help explain some things to me so that I can decide if I should invest time in porting a my applications to it or not.

1. Section 9: "Nothing in this Agreement will impair Roku's right to ... compete with the Channel Application"

On its own this clause is discouraging, but not fatal. I am ok with competition... though Roku would obviously have an advantage controlling the technology and channel store if they decided to compete.

2. Roku may cease distributing the Channel Application ... if roku has reason to believe that such action is prudent or necessary.

Combined with the preceding clause this seems fatal. Why would I, or anyone else, invest in an application if roku can just remove it if they decide to compete with it directly or via a partner or even just for ransom?

3. All Content must be in the English language and originate in the United States unless otherwise agreed by Roku in writing.

Being based in UK, with customers and material in most european languages, this clause really brought me up short. What on earth is this about? Really? Did roku not hear about the global internet yet? Are roku trying to be a generic set top platform (which they seem great at) or a gatekeeper (at which they have no chance long term at all - IMO)?

5. Was the DishWorld deal a abberation or indicative of roku's strategy?

4. Why are Roku so paranoid about content viewed with their devices?

MicroSoft & friends ship PC's with a browser that can access anything that is out there - no one is pinning copyright claims on them are they?

Again, this probably comes down to roku's business model - but please spell it out for me.

I don't want to turn my back on this nice gadget but at face value it seems a non-starter for any signifigant applications. I am still hoping I have got the wrong end of the stick somehow.

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  • "firedup" wrote:
    The only reason I did (and I'm done with this topic), is that these apps were developed, accepted, and later removed. There were others -- Food Network comes to mind

    I wrote the Food Network Nighttime channel, and it was pulled at the request (DMCA complaint) of Scripps Networks. Scripps contacted Roku about it, and Roku forwarded the legal complaint to me, asking me to take it down.
    The same happened with my HGTV channel, my TV.com channel, and my Onion News Network channel. All requests to have them removed/crippled (in the case of ONN) were accompanied by the request from the content owners' legal counsel. None were pulled, because Roku made the decision to pull them on their own.
    "EnTerr" wrote:
    Wait, who are you arguing with here? It ain't me - i already said other app stores have analogous terms. Twice, even.
    And it's not @firedup, since he said - right above, quote by you - "ToS allows Roku to block developers at will... It's no big deal"
    You can have a soapbox and repeat the same but please don't address to me or him - that's preaching to the choir.

    I was addressing the part where firedup referred to "more open platforms with more developer friendly ToS" and Roku's need to "loosen up their ToS" and where you said "I agree with this," by pointing out that there's even more severe language in the ToS of (at least one of) the other platforms being referenced. If you were only agreeing to the "open up their platform" part, then consider yourself excused from the argument.. 😉

    "EnTerr" wrote:
    "TheEndless" wrote:
    All platform development agreements are going to include language that allows them to pull an app at their discretion. Without it, they open themselves up to any number of legal issues.

    Repeating myself: "legal issues" is addressed by much weaker and narrower contract language. Kindly, please don't wave that red herring again and again.

    Ok, replace "legal" with "unforeseen" which is what the sentence said when I originally typed it, before I went back and changed it (probably subconsciously just to spite you :P). The point still stands that the clause is there (in my opinion) for CYA purposes, not to give them the power to pull your app because it competes with something they plan to release, which again, is what the OP was suggesting.