easytodobetter wrote:That's being modest.
You got a competent development team from Nvidia who knows how to develop software and also how to respond to customers with more than "we've passed this on to our useless team."
4K HDR streaming (Netflix, Prime Video, YouTube, etc.)
Dolby Vision & Dolby Atmos support
AI-enhanced upscaling (HD to 4K)
GeForce NOW cloud gaming
NVIDIA GameStream (stream PC games to TV)
Google TV (Android TV base with Google integration)
Chromecast 4K built-in (70 dollar value over cheap miracast devices)
GeForce NOW (cloud gaming, RTX 4080 support on Ultimate tier)
GameStream (local PC-to-TV streaming, LAN)
Bluetooth controller support
NVIDIA Shield controller support (optional)
Steam Link app compatibility
Plex Media Server (built-in, no PC required)
USB storage & NAS support for media
Support for most major audio/video codecs (HEVC, VP9, H.265, etc.)
Kodi and VLC support
External storage and microSD card slot (Pro model)
Google Assistant built-in
Alexa support (via Echo devices)
SmartThings Hub (optional via USB dongle)
Gigabit Ethernet
Dual-band Wi-Fi
Bluetooth (controllers, keyboards, headphones)
IR receiver (universal remote support)
HDMI 2.0
Frequent OS updates (long-term support, Android TV updates)
AI upscaling improvements (via firmware)
3rd-party app support via Google Play StoreIf more people knew how awesome Nvidia Shield was, including how nice their UI is and how fantastic their remotes are, then Roku wouldn't stand a chance in the long term.
Roku are absolutely just begging to lose customers with every single problem they don't/can't fix.
I honestly don't believe Roku has a development team and they're probably outsourcing their software, which would explain their ZERO communication between the two and how they've only made things worse for the last 1-2 years.
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While it is great you very recently discovered alternate platform streaming devices including the NS19 (which you frequently now tout @ Roku's forums in any thread, relevant or not), your "research" into its actual capabilities is a bit lacking and resulted in you posting some technical falsehoods which you should be aware of (especially before making repeated declarations about its "superiority"):
1) YouTube has no HDR support (because it has no hardware accelerated VP 9.2 (aka Profile 2) support or AV1 support)
2) YouTube TV has no HDR support (see above)
3) Hulu has no HDR support (HDR10/HDR10+/DV) - only 4K & 5.1
4) No VP 9.2 support (provides YT/YTTV HDR support)
5) No AV1 support (provides YT/YTTV HDR support)
6) No HLG support ("cheap miracast devices" like every 4K/HDR-capable Roku model have HLG support; RokuOS updates (2019) upgraded older previously released 4K/HDR devices released a year or two prior (2017) with HLG support)
7) No HDR10+ support (RokuOS updates (2021) upgraded the older previously released 4800 (2020) with HDR10+ support)
8 - No AFRM support (RokuOS models have had Automatic Framerate Matching support for a decade)
9) RokuOS upgrades are currently available (@ least twice yearly) for all models going as far back as 2015 (10 years ago), so that @ least matches that of the earliest NS (2015), but provided more consistently and frequently in the case of the NS19, which went more than 2 years without an official update until the recently released Experience 9.2
10) The cheapest NS19 ("tube") is $150 (NS19P is $200), whereas the most expensive RU24 (4850) is $80-100, and 4K/DV/DA-capable models are as low as $35-40 (and 4K/HDR/DA-capable models as low as $25-30) - and every 4K/HDR-capable Roku model has YT/YTTV HDR & Hulu HDR support: you are paying $150-200 for a NS19/NS19P that doesnt provide HDR support in major premium/mainstream apps/services.
So while the $150-200 NS19/NS19P does have its strengths (greater firmware/app control, HD audio passthrough, wide bluetooth connection compatibility), its utterly inferior to much cheaper $25-100 Roku models when it comes to mainstream/premium app/service HDR & codec support.
Finally, there is no one perfect "Streaming Platform/Device To Rule Them All!!" and a multi-platform/device streaming strategy is required to cover all the higher AV quality (4K/HDR/Atmos/5.1/FRM) support "bases" @ any given time - if you had focused more on your "streaming platform/device research homework" instead of on feeding your current Anti-Roku Bad Roku CS Rage you be aware of that...
(FYI, Nvidia's "devs" are arguably just as competent/incompetent as Roku's - one look at their support forums and the number/frequency of "hotfixes" (with repeat regression errors/fixes) for different Experience releases/builds indicates that - if you had actually spent more time honestly researching for your recent/upcoming NS19 purchase you might be aware of that...)
Wow, haha, you sound immediately like a toxic redditor.
None of that addressses that fact that I was forced to go BACK to a Shield because of all the CORE functionality that's broken with Roku, that they're ignoring in these forums.
If we're going to nitpick each other like annoying redditors, then you should know:
"While it is great you very recently discovered alternate platform streaming devices"
That's hilarious, and unnecessarily condescending (which is very telling of you), but I've worked in parallel with the industry for decades, and I don't even know how it would be possible to have not heard of the Shield, especially in forums like Plex.
I was one of the first people modding xbox's with XBMC lmao, but I recently learned about Shield.
Recently discovered? Nope, recently forced into switching because Roku is so broken? Yes.
You're really upset about HDR with youtube and hulu and I don't think anyone cares. It was a simple mistake, and it's beside the entire point.
When a company like Roku outsources software development and breaks communication between customers, customer service, and developers, their quality does not improve, it continues to plummet like Roku is right now.
You're conveniently ignoring that while arguing about software update frequency. Nvidia has programmers, period. They're not outsourcing it, and they're far more competent inherently because they don't have such broken internal communication.
"Look at all the hotfixes in their forums"
Yes, and they actually made them, whereas I'm waiting on Roku to fix like 6 things. I was following Shield development in multiple forums when they came out and for years after.
It's been hilarious triggering a few of you Roku fanboys who are so biased that you try to make Shield's look bad when at least they WORK.
To discuss anything else is to ignore the point. I currently have multiple glaring and ridiculous issues with my Roku's. And that context matters.
Furthermore, several of my Plex users are on 2019 shields and have none of my issues. It's tested and proven with my own content.
Seriously, what a redditor. Ignores 99% of the point and argues about little details.
Still no update on this eh?
Ok, enough is enough.
No more Roku players. You guys are TERRIBLE.
